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	<title>Comments on: Can real time web bring real world change?</title>
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	<description>Founder of Mentory. Partner in Webcom. Affiliated at Copenhagen Institute for Futures Studies. Co-author of a Twitter book.</description>
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		<title>By: Critiquing the critique of the web - Mi Retorica</title>
		<link>http://natasha.saxberg.dk/2010/01/05/can-real-time-web-bring-real-world-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2803</link>
		<dc:creator>Critiquing the critique of the web - Mi Retorica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Flemming Funch</title>
		<link>http://natasha.saxberg.dk/2010/01/05/can-real-time-web-bring-real-world-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2638</link>
		<dc:creator>Flemming Funch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t easy getting it right. I&#039;ve implemented some karma point systems in online communities that ended up not working, as they were promoting the &quot;wrong&quot; kinds of behaviors. Some of the people who ended up at the top of the list were there because they automatically gave everybody else lots of high ratings, without any regard to the actual quality of their interactions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t easy getting it right. I&#8217;ve implemented some karma point systems in online communities that ended up not working, as they were promoting the &#8220;wrong&#8221; kinds of behaviors. Some of the people who ended up at the top of the list were there because they automatically gave everybody else lots of high ratings, without any regard to the actual quality of their interactions.</p>
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		<title>By: natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Karma&quot; rating could visualize a persons contribution, value and ethics, rated by other users. &lt;a href=&quot;http://jacob.saxberg.dk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jacob&lt;/a&gt; actually introduced but never implemented this during his &lt;a href=&quot;http://eksperten.dk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eksperten&lt;/a&gt; days, to break with the problem that users with a lot of points - aren´t necessary delivering most value to a community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Karma&#8221; rating could visualize a persons contribution, value and ethics, rated by other users. <a href="http://jacob.saxberg.dk" rel="nofollow">Jacob</a> actually introduced but never implemented this during his <a href="http://eksperten.dk" rel="nofollow">Eksperten</a> days, to break with the problem that users with a lot of points &#8211; aren´t necessary delivering most value to a community.</p>
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		<title>By: Flemming Funch</title>
		<link>http://natasha.saxberg.dk/2010/01/05/can-real-time-web-bring-real-world-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2620</link>
		<dc:creator>Flemming Funch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One gets what one measures, to a large degree. Quality is of course harder to measure than quantity, but in no way impossible. 

Doing something purely out of altruism or for the sake of self-realization might possibly be &quot;better&quot; than doing it for some kind of credit. But I think we&#039;d go far simply by making quality as visible as quantity, or more visible. Make sure that people who do good things get some visible brownie points, or at least that the things they do are very visible. And make sure that people who amass worthless followers get some minus quality points, or at least that the result of that action gets but little visibility.

Lots of people contribute to open source projects, to wikipedia, to support forums, etc. Maybe out of a kind of altruism, even if most probably wouldn&#039;t identify themselves as altruists. Maybe to scratch their own itch, but they also go out of their way to share it. Maybe for recognition, but they often only get little visible recognition. Maybe just to know they&#039;re doing something valuable, something that&#039;s needed, something that makes the world a slightly better place.

One way or another, yes, I think it is moving towards the top of Maslow&#039;s pyramid. And, yes, more services ought to deal with that more intelligently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One gets what one measures, to a large degree. Quality is of course harder to measure than quantity, but in no way impossible. </p>
<p>Doing something purely out of altruism or for the sake of self-realization might possibly be &#8220;better&#8221; than doing it for some kind of credit. But I think we&#8217;d go far simply by making quality as visible as quantity, or more visible. Make sure that people who do good things get some visible brownie points, or at least that the things they do are very visible. And make sure that people who amass worthless followers get some minus quality points, or at least that the result of that action gets but little visibility.</p>
<p>Lots of people contribute to open source projects, to wikipedia, to support forums, etc. Maybe out of a kind of altruism, even if most probably wouldn&#8217;t identify themselves as altruists. Maybe to scratch their own itch, but they also go out of their way to share it. Maybe for recognition, but they often only get little visible recognition. Maybe just to know they&#8217;re doing something valuable, something that&#8217;s needed, something that makes the world a slightly better place.</p>
<p>One way or another, yes, I think it is moving towards the top of Maslow&#8217;s pyramid. And, yes, more services ought to deal with that more intelligently.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Bach</title>
		<link>http://natasha.saxberg.dk/2010/01/05/can-real-time-web-bring-real-world-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2614</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Bach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sure leads to retweets ;-)

For me spending more time online, has made me spend more time offline (eg. not watching TV).

It&#039;s amazing how many I now call friends, that I didn&#039;t even know 4 years ago, when I reentered the online world, I think that is a rare pattern for people my age (47), that you make new friends, most of which are 10-15 years younger than yourself.

Maslow is right, and we really want to be famous/recognised.

But, I love your take on altruism, we do see a lot of potiential for that in the &quot;loud&quot; bubbles on twitter in Denmark, and I think that now that we&#039;ve found each other, we will actually go on to change the world!

Altruism&#039;r&#039;us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sure leads to retweets ;-)</p>
<p>For me spending more time online, has made me spend more time offline (eg. not watching TV).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how many I now call friends, that I didn&#8217;t even know 4 years ago, when I reentered the online world, I think that is a rare pattern for people my age (47), that you make new friends, most of which are 10-15 years younger than yourself.</p>
<p>Maslow is right, and we really want to be famous/recognised.</p>
<p>But, I love your take on altruism, we do see a lot of potiential for that in the &#8220;loud&#8221; bubbles on twitter in Denmark, and I think that now that we&#8217;ve found each other, we will actually go on to change the world!</p>
<p>Altruism&#8217;r'us</p>
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		<title>By: Kan real time web medføre reel forandring? &#124; Natasha Friis Saxberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kan real time web medføre reel forandring? &#124; Natasha Friis Saxberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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